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Unfortunately, I don't have access to Johnston at the moment. Ship will probably be out before I can talk about it. CORRECTION: I am dumb, she's in my main account after all.

Guess we'll see. I mean, isn't that true of all ships? (They haven't nerfed all of them.)

Which, of course, means you get crap for XP.

​​@@SeaRaptor, you get decent XP for fighter kills. Independence rockets are just terrible. Maybe only useful against cruisers. Your most useful tactical squadron is the HE bombers. The hilarious thing about Independence to me is how fast her tactical squadrons come back. You just have infinite planes that do pinprick damage. Yorktown has smoke, but her planes do a lot more damage...

Thank YOU!

Honestly, at the point we are pushing him, his death is almost guaranteed. He can delay things or possibly get lucky with torpedoes, but that's about it. He MIGHT have been able to torpedo charge me through the smoke. My AP shells are not able to get module incaps on his torpedo tubes, so it's possible he survives to wipe me out at close range. That probably would have been his best bet; try and use the smoke to lure me in close and hope my hydro is offline. But it's a slim chance.

Kagero is 5.4km detection with Concealment Expert on the commander and Concealment Systems Modification 1 in slot 5.

Correct.

The good news is we have complete data for all subsequent quarters, so we'll be able to continue evaluating them as we normally would.

@@SeaRaptor Thanks for the effort to bring us this info. I'll be interested to see that data, but the feels right now on NA is not a healthy game population. NA really rejects the sub / cv / passive meta...my friends list is dwindling..

I pulled 3rd quarter already and don't recall seeing anything terribly erroneous yet. Will see if that holds into this year. I also feel like NA population has been pretty light of late. It usually is during summer, but...

NA regularly gets mostly bot filled games at tier 5 IN PRIME TIME. Queue times for tier 10 games are increasing in my experience too.

Correct. I am very far behind.

Power creep is a real issue in games this old, and for sure some older content feels a little rough. The nice thing is that there are still a lot of tech tree and early premium ships that are still very relevant and playable, and solid cash-makers to boot. Atago is an easy example, but there are others.

@@SeaRaptor I love Atago. I still enjoy Alaska a lot, as well. Problem with T8/9 is getting uptiered and inevitably getting curb stomped. But, for example GK is unplayable in randoms right now. I hate to be that guy, but GK and a few others need some buffs.

Not all of us are from Massachusetts. ;)

@@SeaRaptor myself included

Glad it was helpful!

An... oddly interesting comparison. I will say that I suspect these guns are going to be more useful, though. The IJN lights are basically torpedo cruisers with some slow-reloading 152mm guns added as an afterthought. Jax is very much an "all-gun" cruiser with a correspondingly quick reload to go with it.

The range upgrade is not a bad way to play the ship. I find the shells quite difficult to lead at max range, but the appeal of having what amounts to an American Hindenburg is real. I've played the ship in this configuration and it absolutely works.

A bigger, badder one!

We are not allowed to show gameplay of ships that are unreleased. First Look videos by their very nature will never include gameplay.

As a DD-fancier myself, I do sometimes miss how bad flooding was. But I like how the re-design of it makes it still hurt without being a death sentence. Multiple flooding zones also helps from the DD side of things.

It would be nice, that's why I try to remember to include that info when I feel like it's relevant. I mentioned it here because I got pretty concerned when I saw the Seattle turrets... blessedly, it was okay.

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The math says "yes". The trick is still duping the CV player into wandering into range. ;)

It never left, but Jax's AA is like that of a vengeful god compared to the ships currently in the game.

@@SeaRaptor What if WG removed 1 or 2 charges of DFAA globally across all ships, but made it so DFAA deletes all planes in AA range. No extra damage or ramp up, just 100 to 0 for all planes in the AA bubble. Thoughts?

One or two "get out of jail free" cards essentially

It would feel good for the surface ship and terrible for the CV. I doubt WG would go for it. No other class in the game has a get-out-of-jail-free card. If I had a "ignore all damage for 15 seconds" button as a destroyer, people would call it broken. That's basically what you're suggesting.

Glad you liked it!

Cleve has always had great AA. But both Seattle and Worcester pushes their AA range out to 6.9km. And Worcester in particular becomes extremely deadly at 4km, with its 3" autoloader AA guns providing an unholy AA DPS. Now throw in DFAA to all this. Before the CV rework in version 8.0, a full AA-build Worcester could feature a DPS of over 3,000. There is footage of it completely deplaning 3 Hakuryus at the exact same time with relatively minimal damage to itself in the process. So yeah-Worcester is possibly the best support cruiser in the game. Excellent RoF, consumables aplenty, awesome AA range and DPS, and a LU that makes all of this better (+1 to all consumables, reduces consumable cooldown by 20%, reduces AA priority sector by 20%)

Possibly, need it to release first!

Des Moines' AA is pretty solid; I have games on my channel where I slaughtered well over 40 Midway planes in a DM. Most people's impression of DM's AA stems from the pre-CV rework era when the ship was literally untouchable with DFAA active. It isn't now, but it sure does murder planes good given the opportunity with a little investment on the captain. Murdering planes in Warships is really easy with a small investment in points, some heads up play, and a CV player who wants to mess with you. With all of that said, Jacksonville's base AA is nearly double that of Des Moines. DM's middle bubble is 417 DPS; Jax's is 882. Jax's long-range goes out to 6.9km; DM's stops at 5.8. Jax puts up more flak. Jax's long-range bubble is about 30% better in regular DPS (133 vs. 105). Gouden Leeuw's mid-range aura is 536 out to 3.5km; Jax's is 882 out to 4.0km... a 65% increase plus more range (which means more time spent in it). There's no ship in the game that comes close to putting out this kind of mid-range aura. The Dutch are the closest, but even they are over 200 points behind; De Zeven Provincien's 672 out to 4.0km is the closest analogue, and if you've ever had a CV try to mess with you in that ship, you start to get an inkling of what Jax is capable of. D7P devours planes. So should Jax. The RU CV's break all the regular rules of how AA works, so I can't defend that. It was a stupid design decision by WG at the time and remains so. Against regular carriers - or even RU strikes that have to come into your AA bubble, like Chkalov's dive bombers - they'll be lucky to survive to drop you, much less go home again. FDR *might* have a shot, but I think this thing would give even FDR fits.

@@SeaRaptor I feel like I see a lot of abused Des Moines and Hallands these days up to the point where I suspected WG has done some shady behind the curtains nerfs to them recently. But that must just be players misplaying and misusing AA all the time then.

Far be it for me to contradict your feelings. For the past five-plus years AA has been simple math, easy to understand (the bigger the numbers, the better) and easy to verify in-game (as the UI visually shows you the damage numbers going in on the planes just like it does with shells). Damage verification requires some effort - because the damage lands so quickly and the planes are in constant motion - and some knowledge about the opposing CV's skills - because that affects the math - but can easily be verified in a training room. PTS builds are so heavily data-mined, I've no idea how we wouldn't notice a nerf to base AA values on high-tier ships. WG even got away from the flawed system that awarded XP and cash for only the plane kill ribbons and now rewards simply overall AA damage. This makes AA builds more financially rewarding than ever... presuming you can get a CV in your game. My thoughts on AA in Warships over the past nine years boil down to some pretty simple observations: 1. Some players got used to the old AA system, which was RNG-based and comically unbalanced. 2. Many of those same players didn't like that they could no longer become immune to CVs in the new system, which therefore made the new system "broken". (I'm talking post-0.8.5 here, because between 0.8.0 and 0.8.5 AA was total garbage.) 3. CV players are nearly always going to take the commander skills that buff plane health and reduce incoming AA damage, but too many surface ship players never invest a single point into their AA. Thus, they start even farther behind the math than they would have otherwise. 4. As a result, such surface ship players convince themselves that AA is worthless, never having actually attempted to use any of the commander skills or modules (or consumables) that would have improved the math equations that enable them to murder planes faster. None of this is meant to gloss over the fact that taking skills and modules that buff your AA has an opportunity cost. They always have, and there's an argument to be made that such an opportunity cost is higher than ever now that subs are around (i.e. taking DFAA over hydro might end up being a death sentence depending on matchmaking). I have no interest in defending WG's class design and balancing decisions, because I frequently disagree with them. But since June 2019, AA has worked exactly as it should have since the game's release. It's a simple-to-understand system that underpins a much more complex, emotional interaction with the CV player (the feeling of being attacked without being able to fight back). I would argue that one of WG's greatest design failures in Warships is allowing that CV/surface ship interaction into the game at all; that despite the historical significance of aircraft carriers, *players* in a *PvP game* do not enjoy being unable to retaliate against the player who is attacking them.

I doubt that. Her main battery is hilariously fun, and that's why you really pick this thing up. But the AA bubble is nutty. I can't wait to laugh at the opposing CV player who tries to drop me with something while driving this ship.

And we ALL know how trustworthy the internet is. =D

Now I want to make a clip like this. =D

@@SeaRaptor Oh please do!!! ty

I hadn't thought of it in those terms, but... yeah.